‘Primitive man is here with us… that same primitive man is now resident in the spirit world.’

The following is from Father Robert Benson, channeled testimony from the afterlife, via the mediumship of Anthony Borgia, as reported in the book, Facts:

"Primitive man, as the very early inhabitants of earth are called, is here with us in the spirit world. Such souls are the occupants of the highest spheres. They came here as they left the earth world -- you would regard them as savages… those ‘primitive’ men who have so evolved and spiritually progressed that they are now dwellers in the highest realms, who are possessed of immense knowledge and wisdom, and who are, in every sense, wondrous souls."

In his writings, Father Benson asserts that all those who once lived on the Earth are now in the spirit world. This includes primitive man. However, these once-savages now comprise a ruling class over there “in the highest realms,” which are mental, not necessarily spatial or geographical, states of advanced progression.

But this awesome and marvelous spiritual evolution – from savage to “upper management” of the spirit world – was accomplished naturally, as a tiny germinating seed grows to be an oak - with n'ary a hint of need to return to Earth's mortal life.

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like going to an amusement park, over there one can enter make-believe worlds to play ‘let’s pretend’ to simulate whatever you want

My acquaintance August Goforth is a New York psychiatrist and also an accomplished psychic-medium. With his friend Timothy Gray on the other side, he has written a number of books offering information about the afterlife.

anything can be simulated

On the other side, Tim reports, the mind is so powerful, even to create whole worlds. Therein, one might simulate almost anything the mind can conjure or conceive.

turning yourself into an animal, just for fun, like a scene out of 'Sword In The Stone'

For example, he says, if one wanted to see what it would be like to live as an animal, you could do that, in simulation, in one of these make-believe worlds. It's a grand game of "let's pretend."

August: “Tim, it  really does sound as if it’s all an immense and  dramatic soap opera, or some kind of game.”

a grand make-believe game simulating reincarnation

Tim: “So why can’t it be? ... [and] If you want to make up a game about reincarnation and make it seem so real that it appears real, why not? … there’s no reason why a person can’t manifest [in game-simulation] yet another experience on another version of Earth that is completely like the one they left. Mind is that powerful.

Editor’s note: In the writing “the 500 tape-recorded messages from the other side” we saw that there are many millions over there who simulate a kind of alternate reality. For these dysfunctional ones, reincarnation seems to be real – although none of them has actually been able to witness the "big goodbye." Still, there're all true believers.

Tim: "[It's like] a very large and entertaining play… These other worlds [are] no less real than [bona fide] reality; nevertheless, they are not reality, but [merely] thoughts about reality… it has an apparent feeling of reality and will respond to its manifestor’s mind as directed."

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also see more "Risen" quotations near the bottom of this page plus in the "holodeck" writing (item #6) 

“Touched By An Angel” television series provides dramatizations of encounters with messengers from heaven. In these peak experiences, according to the story lines, people find themselves advanced spiritually. But can a wonderful experience, of and by itself, effect real spiritual change?

All this, in principle, is well in line with the underlying thesis of “R,” that, experience, of and by itself, can evolve humanity. “Touched By An Angel” provides a useful metaphor to explore this proposition.

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Dr. Peebles on the other side, speaking through Mrs. Wickland, forcibly addresses the error of 'R'

"Do not become hypnotized in any way by dogma, creed, or belief [which supports reincarnation], but find God within yourself and be free. Ask to hear, to see, to feel, and to know God, then your eyes will be opened to spiritual things and [then] you will not want to come back to this earth life again."

A desire to return to Earth’s mortal life represents an immaturity, a lack of heavenly orientation and vision, a condition of psychological earth-bondedness, with sympathies remaining earthward and much inclined to regain and remingle with the earth environment. This skewed and fear-based earth-focusing -- rooted in regret and self-remonstrance -- must be overcome before any spiritual progress might be enjoyed.

READ MORE concerning how to access the God-life within.

Life In Two Spheres, or Scenes in the Summerland (1892), by Hudson Tuttle, channeled testimony from the other side. The speaker of the following is known as "the ancient Sage," a resident of Summerland, it seems, for nearly 3000 years:

“There is no soul made in vain in creation; and if man cannot be developed on earth, he will have an eternity in which to expand hereafter. Men look on the surface when they speak of greatness. Very few kings, lordlings, or autocrats are great; he alone is truly great, who not only has love, not only philanthropy, not only wisdom, but all of these combined into one harmonious whole. Then harmonize your being; make this the object of your lives. Eradicate your peculiar evils one by one, with a firm faith in success…

“Every man and woman should consider [him or herself] individual sovereigns, to think and to act as best pleases... if they do not infringe on the rights of others. There should be no conformity except to Nature… To be perfect, thereby great, should be the aim of all. Not as Caesar or Alexander as warriors; not as Laplace and Cuvier in intellect; not as Confucius or Plato in morals; but as all of these combined in one.”

Editor’s note: Near the bottom of the “favorite quotations” page, see comments from other Spirit Guides on the profile of the “perfect person.”

the purpose of the brain is to filter out, from universal consciousness, anything not correlating with the body’s perspective; in this ‘step-down transformer’ process, separate egos, with separate personal identities, emerge

Dr. Bernardo Kastrup, PhD philosophy, PhD computer science, for many years worked at CERN, the large hadron collider in Geneva.

“… the function of the brain is to localize consciousness, pinning it to the space-time reference point implied by the physical body. In doing so, the brain modulates conscious perception in accordance with the perspective of the body.

a brain that filters implies the existence of unbound mind, a universal consciousness

"When not subject to this localization and modulation mechanism, mind is unbound: it entails consciousness of all there is across space, time, and perhaps beyond. Therefore, by localizing mind, the brain also ‘filters out’ of consciousness anything that is not correlated with the body’s perspective… like a radio receiver selecting [a particular station], among the variety [with] all other stations being filtered out and never reaching the consciousness of the listener…

"[T]he filter hypothesis implies that consciousness, in its unfiltered state, is unbound. As such, consciousness must be fundamentally unitary and non-individualized, for separateness and individualization entail boundaries.

Editor’s note: Father Benson from the afterlife speaks of a being, formerly mortal, five billion years old, so advanced as to enjoy awareness of all life-forms in the universe; in this, we see the future of the ‘unfiltered’ mind. Read More on the “500 hundred tape-recorded messages from the other side” page.

the filtering brain creates the illusion of separateness, of disconnected personal egos

"The emergence of multiple, separate and different conscious perspectives or egos, is a consequence of the filtering and localization process: different egos, entailing different perspectives on space-time, retain awareness of different subsets of all potential subjective experiences, the rest being filtered out. It is the difference across subsets that give each ego its idiosyncratic vantage point, personal history, and sense of personal identity.

a brain designed to filter out experiences to a minimum would not be much of a help if reincarnational purpose were that of coming here to gain as much experience as possible

Editor’s note: A brain designed to filter, and reduce to a trickle, experience does not substantively support a theory of reincarnation which exalts much experience. We do not come to this planet to gain experience, as such, but to individualize, to transform one’s tiny sub-set of universal consciousness into a personal ego. With this, we become ready for what comes next in the afterlife, even if we are not yet “good” persons, which can be accomplished later, but only after one becomes a person in one’s own right. Read More on this need for individualization.

"The subjective experiences that are filtered out become the so-called ‘unconscious’ mind of the respective ego. Since each ego allows in only an infinitesimally small part of all potential experiences … the ‘unconscious’ minds of different egos will differ only minimally… As such, the filter hypothesis, unlike materialism, predicts the existence of a ‘collective unconscious’; a shared repository of potential experiences that far transcends mere genetic predispositions of a species…

the likely origin of the mystical experience

"[A]nd most importantly, the filter hypothesis predicts that one can have experiences that do not correlate with one’s brain states. Since here the brain is seen merely as a mechanism for filtering out experience … when this [filtering] mechanism is interfered with so as to be partially or temporarily deactivated, one’s subjective experience could delocalize, expand beyond the body in time and space, and perhaps even beyond time and space [giving rise to what is called the mystical experience]…”

READ MORE of Dr. Kastrup's work on the “quantum mechanics” page

it’s like believing in Satan, which most of the world accepts, but without apodictic evidence

Afterlife entity Robert James Lees (just above), and other teachers over there, decry the concept of “R” as the product of sloppy thinking, selective research, and biased outlook.

In other religions, this superficiality, this thread-bare veneer of logicality, will create an array of myths and half-baked ideas: such as, the existence of Satan, the innate depravity of man, the rule of a queen of heaven, karma and punishment as underlying precepts governing the universe, and a host of other fables. None of this kangaroo-court-ism offers a particle of credence, and reincarnation takes its place as one more cultish, soft-headed, fear-based rubric of materialistic mindset.

the primary reason reincarnation cannot possibly be true

Though I’ve stated it many times, allow me to do so again: I would suggest that the primary reason reincarnation cannot possibly be true is that it does not represent how human beings actually change and grow.

wearing a new mask

Real change is more than the ego adjusting itself to new pressures and influences in the environment. It will conform to the demands of cultural conditioning, but this is not meaningful change -- but simply wearing a new mask.

What we need is real, radical, transformative change, at a very deep level. Mere knowledge accumulation and varied experience, without something more, can never take us to where we need and want to go.

See more discussion here and here.

Jiddu Krishnamurti
1895 - 1986

no such thing as a law of cause and effect or karma, as the mind is capable of immediate transformation 

12.Nov.1958. There is no such thing as a law of cause and effect, no such thing as karma. In the interval between effect and cause there will be time. In that time there has been a tremendous lot of change and therefore the effect is never the same in all cases. And the effect is going to produce another cause which will never be merely the result of the effect. There is no cause, isolated, which produces an effect; they are interrelated. Sow a mango seed and it is bound to produce a mango tree - but the human mind is not like that. The mind is capable of immediate transformation within itself.

The Dazzling Darkness is a concept representing a frame of mind untrammeled by the dysfunctional ego. Therein, freed from base-alloy animal inclinations, one might apprehend not only the identity of one’s true mate but also a realization of the living presence of God in one’s life. READ MORE

Will we still have to battle the ego's selfishness when we transition to Summerland? Can it be removed? Do even the ancient Spirit Guides still have to deal with this egocentrism?

Further, there are many teachers on the other side who say it’s easier to learn our ‘kindergarten’ lessons here, on the sorrowful planet Earth. What do they mean by this?

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Reincarnational belief in the Bible and the ancient world

Was John the Baptist really Elijah reincarnated?

John, a reincarnation of Elijah?

The Jews often called other teachers by the name (or title) of Elijah.

The New Testament explicitly states that “we die only once”, just as Jesus offered his saving work “only once” - meaning, there is no endless round of death and rebirth.

Was a man born blind because he sinned in a previous life? 

Jesus said "you must be born again," but he wasn't referring to mortal life.

What the ancient Jews believed about the afterlife.

Some say that Josephus taught that the Jews commonly believed in reincarnation, but this is not true.

Swedenborg, a staunch believer in Christ and the Bible, during his astral travels to the other side, was shown that a sense of ‘past lives’ does not originate with the experiencer but an external source.

Reincarnational belief was common is the Greco-Roman world and this ubiquity, among the ruling class, would have influenced some of the Jews.

Editor's summary comments

the psychology driving those who wish to return 

The following is from "The Religion Of The Spirit World" (1920) by Prof. G. Henslow. 

...the animal body disappears at death ... [and the new astral body] is now solely adapted for the existence beyond the grave. There, the spirit is everything, the terrestrial existence has gone forever. The great lesson of earth-life is, therefore, to adapt ourselves ... i.e., to live in harmony with the requirements of the next world.

This is why we are told that many on the other side long to return. It is because they find themselves unprepared and ill-adapted for the new existence, and [to their great dismay] they realize that they have neglected to begin to prepare by spiritual cultivation of the soul for the next world while on earth...

an evasion of personal responsibility, a desire to avoid consequences of a misspent life, becomes the underlying psychology of reincarnation

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restless, chattering, endless motion, ever seeking

Krishnamurti lecture: 26.May.1966. “When one is awake, with light in oneself, there is no seeking. Only the man in darkness is always searching for light, for more experience…A monkey is restless, scratching itself, chattering, endless movement. So is our mind. One says, ‘I must control it’ and concentrate. We don’t realize that the entity demanding control is still the entity that is like the monkey.”

READ MORE on the "Gospel Of Thomas" page

for thousands of years, people believed that the Earth was at the center of the cosmos, and that the Sun traveled around the Earth

This seemed reasonable. After all, every day we see the Sun cross the sky, from one side to the other. Few things could be clearer. What more evidence do we need? It’s as plain, well, as the Sun in the sky.

Each morning the Sun rises in the east. Well, of course, it's rising. We can see it rising. How foolish to disbelieve this infallible doctrine. And not only that, it's obviously circling the Earth. Like the sweeping arm of the hypotenuse circumnavigating the unit-circle, the Sun arcs its way across a lonely sky, and then falls into sleepy repose beneath the western horizon. Everybody knows this to be true. No one doubts it.

Twinkling points of light, stars, peering down upon us from a midnight-blue canvas seem to be firmly fixed (which is why the ancients used the term "firmament"), like raisins stuck in a pudding.

As these heavenly bodies imperceptibly drift overhead - no doubt, at the nudging of angels who manage such things; who could gainsay this? - the Earth itself is surely at rest, not moving at all. Why, if the Earth were moving, we'd all be thrown about, this way and that, like jostling marbles in a little boy's cupped hands. (Editor's note: See the movie "Agora" on the life of female ancient scientist Hypatia who may have been one of the first to find an answer here.)

But, in all of these assumptions and surface-judgments, we were deceived. Might we be deceived about other things that we're very sure about?

Reincarnation seems to offer evidence of its veracity. From a certain vista, its case appears fairly solid. But so did the geocentric model, until Copernicus overturned it all.

The Sun appears to be going around the Earth, but only from a very limited viewpoint. As we gain higher perspective, we're suddenly introduced to the utterly unsound basis of earlier beliefs.  

The evidence for reincarnation seems convincing, but only in a shallow way, and only until we gain more knowledge of how the universe, and the mind, truly work.

reincarnation, the new hell-fire

The belief in eternal hell-fire has gone out of style, with few disciples now to support it. But it had a long run. In its day, tortured reasonings by the Church seemed to offer basis of logicality; to the effect:

“Drop a stone. It falls to the ground. This, alone, tells us something. And see how the sun, stars, and planets move about the Earth? All this is evidence that our planet is at the center of the universe. Why doubt our senses on this as it’s so plain to see? And what is at the center of the Earth? Why, that would be the lowest of the low, of course. This is where we will find the eternally damned, burning forever in hell-fire. Our best teachers assure us that this is the case, and even the testimony of nature and God's creation supports the Church’s doctrine of eternal punishment at the center of the Earth.”

Except that it didn’t. At the surface of life, with few facts at-the-ready, granted, there seemed to be good reason why hell-fire existed at the center of this stationary and flat planet:

"There are very logical reasons for these conclusions: If people lived on the under-side of a world, they would fall off into space. And if the world were moving, then this would create a wind which would topple the birds from the air. This is just common sense."

Also consider this:

Newton was so revered, his findings deemed to be the voice of God. But he made mistakes. He said that gravity is a downward pull, like magnetism. Many, even today, still believe this error of 250 years ago - because who could deny it, gravity obviously does pull things down, what could be more clear? Except that it doesn’t. Gravity as a force of magnetism doesn't exist. Gravity is a function of warped spacetime. Einstein, bad guy, had to trash Sir Isaac.

We need to go deeper. Surface meanings are often misleading, though comfortingly “clear.” Clear and wrong. So it is with the fraudulent reincarnation. Clear and wrong.

Editor's note: People want to defend religious illusions, they want their own set of facts, but spurious contentions remind us of what the "ugly duckling" endured from its peers. For, if you disagree with the "one-true religion" of "R", its devotees will say, "I wish the cat would get you."

Today, we smile at quaint and provincial surmisings. We no longer believe in a universe-centered Earth with hell-fire at the core. We’re far too sophisticated for that. Instead, we've traded it for the trendy and fashionable “personal cosmology” of reincarnation.

Who could doubt any of its precepts? "R" is built upon the seemingly apodictic evidence of past lives, birth marks, karma, NDE reports, life plans, memories, and more – who could gainsay any of this? But look more closely.

Reincarnation is patently true, they say, what could be more persuasive? - obviously it's all valid, as true as the sun crossing the sky and melding into the western horizon; as true as gravity as a form of magnetism.

However, as famed criminal-investigation psychic Robert James Lees asserted, quoting Spirit Guides, reincarnation appeals to the immature and cultish mind, lacking a depth of research, selectively winnowing the data, seeing what it wants to see.

spiritual maturity, as measured by the Guides, is a psychological distancing of oneself from earth’s influences

The following channeled information was obtained via the mediumship of Mrs. Elizabeth Sweet, as reported in “The Future Life” (1855), pg. 341.

A spirit-person on the other side offered testimony. He had prayed for more wisdom. This was answered by a meeting with four individuals, of different levels of spiritual maturity.

The initial speaker was not so unlike himself, and very close to the earth in mentality: “the first who comes near thee is a dweller near the sphere in which thou art still a dweller. Thou wilt perceive that there is much of earth's surroundings still about him. His sympathies with earth are strong. His desires tend yet as much earthward as up—as heavenward… the limitation of thought and feeling, are yet upon, or assimilating much with, the earth plane. There is a strong and ardent longing to mingle again in the scenes which he left.”

Those who spoke next, each one, were progressively less and less earth-bound in their thinking, characterized by: “This spirit is more thoroughly weaned from earth [and] hath cast the trammels off him”; or, there is “less inclination to look downward [to the earth], and more [upward thinking]"; or, “he is one who is not often drawn earthward [and has] cast off earth's grossness”; or, “he feels that he has done with things inherent to the flesh, [with] no drawback to his happiness save his regret that he did not live on earth to know himself and what his capabilities were”; or, “no earthly regrets or longings take away from his spirit's peace.”

We notice how regrets and despair might cloud the thinking of the earth-bound spirit-person; this self-condemnation can lead to an ill-conceived desire to reincarnate.

a wish to soar up

The fourth reporter, essentially, was free of the lower-level attractions of the earth: “his pathway lies among the sparkling worlds which dot the brow of heaven”; or, “he has cast off earth's mantle forever and ever”; or, there is "a wish to soar up."

reincarnation is a propaganda ploy, developed by immature spirits, designed to lend credence to earth-bound thinking - which must be discarded before spiritual progress can be attained; we are to 'soar up' and leave, far behind, the swaddling clothes of the earth

taking refuge in that which cannot be falsified, investigated, or argued against, all safely beyond the reach of honest scrutiny

When you’ve lost the debate on the merits of the case, then you trot out aligned witnesses to proclaim, “The most advanced, the truly wise and spiritual in the universe tell us that, ages and ages from now, we do reincarnate. But you have to be very evolved, on the seventh level of heaven, to know this great truth.” Well, it's quite convenient to make claim that cannot be looked into.

Further, they will minimize a lover’s greatest fear, the loss of a beloved due to reincarnation’s mosh-pit of endless lives: “The true self,” they say, “is a fragmented self, part of a group soul, probably leading many lives concurrently even right now, you’re not who you think you are. But, not to worry, you can always access the one you love, and will not lose her.” And just how would this wizardry of retrieval be accomplished? - one fractional persona, among 100,000, easily accessed?

Are we to be comforted by this empty sophism? Sounds like total bs. The underlying implication being, “It doesn’t matter, the one you love is really just a fractional illusion, not a stand-alone entity as a separate person, but part of an uber-soul, you never really had her in the first place.” Love has devolved to grey-gruel homogenous mixture, now go and be happy.

All this is more than nonsense, an attempt to lend tortured credence to bankrupt philosophy. On the “clear thinking” page, we discussed how fraudsters will redefine terms, allowing them to seemingly move forward in their arguments, but only by massaging definitions. It’s an old propaganda technique. Reincarnation meant one thing but now it's something else.

Editor’s note: There is no such thing as “higher beings who really know,” no such thing as “seventh level of highest heaven” or "the older they are, the wiser they are," no such thing as a fractional self, group soul, karma, past lives, concurrent lives, no such thing as "you planned your Earth lessons before your birth," no such thing as changing one’s heart-of-darkness via much experience - we could go on. The entire arena of reincarnational philosophy is a hot-bed of fraud, egoism, muddied thinking, and quasi-religious adherence. But the "insane 500" and devotees just love it.

The “after ages and ages” ploy is crooked, designed to delude: “In a bazillion years you’ll find that reincarnation is true after all, just you wait and see.” This is taking refuge in that which cannot be falsified, investigated, or argued against, all safely beyond the reach of honest scrutiny. It’s a propaganda technique.

Reincarnational doctrine is part of the godless woke mind-virus infecting planet Earth. It promotes a DEI version of human relational affinity. It denies human exceptionalism, the sanctity of the human soul, the glory of what it means to be a particular son or daughter of God.

Further, it denigrates the uniqueness, the life-enhancing essence, of Twin Soul love, our eternal “reason to stay alive for,” the emulation of Mother-Father God.

Ultimately, the truth about reincarnation will not be decided on the battlefield of ‘my PhD witness’ or ‘my ancient afterlife teacher agrees with me’; nor will any book, mystic guru, secret wisdom, or group consensus serve as apodictic explanation.

All this is argued and fought over even on the other side, and debating-team strategies will avail nothing final.

This issue, along with every other issue of grand import, will be resolved by one avenue only:

We must go within. We must be taught by Universal Consciousness, by the Spirit of Truth, by God who teaches every woman and man directly.

True spirituality is gained only by accessing the 'inner life'.

Spirituality is about burgeoning life, blossoming, unfolding life, and this life comes only from God; life comes only from life.

Experience can prune, scintillate, and offer choices, but it cannot impart life.

Experience can effect change at the surface of personality but not at the level of core being. There, it is only the self-observation, the 'simply noticing' of the antics of the mind, which allows the true self, the divine life, to emerge.

There is no salvation in experience, little or much. This is the crux of reincarnation's error, where its believers go wrong.

Editor’s note: Krishnamurti said the same. Knowledge and experience, beliefs and ideas, do not change us at the core of personhood but, at most, “cause the mind to superficially adjust itself to a pattern” of conditioning.l

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Dr. & Mrs. Carl Wickland, a husband-wife medical team of trance-mediumship, for 40 years, serving confused spirits who wanted to reincarnate, but could not, as there is no such option available to them

Dr. Carl & Anna Wickland

"Realize that this little Earth is only a grammar school. It is not a University, not even a High School; it is only the first lesson of life. Do not become hypnotized in any way by dogma, creed or belief, but find God within yourself and be free."

"The first thing I had to do was to conquer self ... selfishness. We must conquer that before we can do any work at all in the spirit world."

"Memories of [so-called] 'past lives' are caused by spirits that bring such thoughts and represent the lives they lived. A spirit impresses you with the experiences of its life and these are implanted in your mind as your own. You then think you remember your past. You make the mistake of taking this for the memory of former incarnations."

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Elsewhere I’ve stated that the more advanced forms of mediumship offer a direct access to reports from the spirit world, unfiltered by the mind of the psychic. One of the best is the direct-voice mediumship – for example, that of Leslie Flint, Emily French, and John Sloan – facilitating “voices” from Summerland; many hundreds of these, which have been tape-recorded or transcribed by stenographer.

The service work of the Wicklands, their trance/spirit-attachment mediumship, offers another form of this direct, unfiltered access to discarnate entities. While rereading the Wickland's book – see a copy free, online – it occurred to me that, in a sense, these reports are even more valuable and instructive to us than those via direct-voice.

I say this because reports from Summerland, while not always issuing from the spiritually sane, are usually marked by a certain level of civility. But the Wicklands were dealing with confused spirits still on the Earth-plane, which automatically suggests that these had a reason to hang around; often, with motivations centering about not just unfinished business but addictions and criminal activity.

As we “listen” to Dr. Wickland interview these recalcitrant-unrepentant, we receive viewpoints laced with raw egocentrism, tendencies toward violence, all manner of ill-repute. But then, it struck me how valuable this is: Note carefully how these insane ones speak – in one sense, they sound very ordinary, just like any troubled person around us all the time, every day, and being interviewed on tv in the news – but take note of the excuses, the victimhood stories, the hard-done-by accounts, the blaming and scapegoating, the slanted story, the evil eye, the bloodthirsty cravings for revenge.

by way of contrast

I said all this is valuable and instructive because, if we listen very carefully, we will gain insight, by way of contrast, to every precept of natural law, all of the good rubrics, which rule the “better neighborhoods” of Summerland - and reflect the mind of God.

We see the diamond more clearly against a background of black velvet cloth.

'R' puts far too much emphasis on this mortal life and far too little on the vaster opportunities for growth in the coming worlds

Dr. Carl Wickland, via his trance-medium wife, Anna, over several decades, helped to free thousands of discarnate entities who had obsessed mortals. Many of these spirits, confused and sometimes malicious, were attempting to reincarnate, but could not.

The following is from the Wicklands’ second book, “Gateway Of Understanding”:

The theory of reincarnation subverts the natural spiritual progression; too much stress and importance is placed upon this brief mortal life. The teaching of the reincarnationists that we must return again and again to earth life to become perfected is equivalent to saying that...

like going to kindergarten over and over again; but 'R' considers this the ripest wisdom

...after one has passed through kindergarten, grade schools and university, he must return to kindergarten over and over again to learn everything that is to be learned pertaining to life.

What is mortal life but a kindergarten? Too little is credited to the vaster opportunities of the next school in the spiritual realm, the verity of which has been so abundantly demonstrated and which may be easily verified by the unprejudiced student through intelligent Psychic Research.

The entire scheme of reincarnation is a limited idea, one that fails to recognize this is a formative plane and that there are many planes and schools on the Invisible Side which offer far greater opportunities for the higher soul culture than does this mortal plane. There is no need of returning to the mundane when we can progress from sphere to sphere, or school to school, and thus ultimately realize the "God within."

Editor's note: Discovering "God within" advances us more than any other single factor, far more than 'R's vaunted experience, which, of and by itself, cannot elevate the soul a micron. See the "true self" page for a great many affirmations, from a multitude of sources, concerning the need to find "God within."

To live morally and uprightly, to learn in this life what we are living for, and to realize there are future opportunities, is undoubtedly the cardinal object of our human existence.

Restatement

What is the real issue here?

Experience, per se, cannot change and evolve us. Only a perception of the life within, of what we've had all the time, the “inner soul-riches,” can advance us.

What does this mean?

It means that we do not need to gain something from "out there" but only to realize what was "factory installed."

The dysfunctional ego is led by systemic fears of “I don’t have enough” because “I am not enough.” It’s a poisonous, debilitating, gnawing feeling of “lack” on the deep inside.

We can have a world of experience from “out there,” or 10,000 lives of doing everything under the sun, but, without something more, one’s inner existential uneasiness will not subside.

This is the core problem with ”R” and why it cannot help people.

the poisonous feeling deep within will not go away just by experiencing more

Only when we access the life within, the “true self,” are we granted release from the poisonous sensations of "not enough".

This perception of “inner life,” when it comes, comes in "no time," comes in one timeless, eternal moment of cosmic clarity.

Everything that has a beginning is also subject to an ending.

But there exists a domain beyond the reach of time’s degradation. There, things simply exist, eternally, have always been, have no opposite, no duality, and do not suffer loss.

In receipt of this mystical gift, we are jettisoned into a higher level of consciousness, and we’re changed from the inside out.

And the change is permanent.

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28.Feb.1965. Krishnamurti: Just be aware of what is taking place inside you - your beliefs, your fears, your dogmas, your hopes, your frustrations, your ambitions. Then the unfolding of the conscious and the unconscious begins. You have not to do a thing. Just be aware; that is all what you have to do, and then the whole field of consciousness begins to unfold.

the 'nebula theory' of reincarnation

A nebula is a cloud of dust and gas in space. Gravity can slowly cause this particulate matter to coalesce, to draw together in clumps. These lumps grow and grow; eventually, becoming so big to collapse under their own weight. The ensuing heat and pressure can ignite to form a star.
 

Many people believe that reincarnation mirrors this “star nursery” dynamic. Instead of gas and dust pulling together, it’s theorized that a multitude of heterogeneous experiences will eventually congeal to form the mature and good person. But this is error. 

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many in the spiritualist movement are infected by the mind-virus of ‘R’, its leading teaching, a 'holy and infallible' doctrine, in their religion, and they will hate and shun you for disagreeing;

it is the New-Age woke version of afterlife teaching, a skewed view of cosmic reality and the work of the spirit, incommensurate with natural law, out of phase with the inner guidance system

I speak from personal experience, buttressed by several condemning reports from the afterlife; that, not all but many in these spiritualist churches despise the best afterlife evidence, are not interested in facts and research, and have taken their place as one more materialistic, money-grubbing cult religion of the world 

Winston Churchill, a tape-recorded warning message (circa. 1960s), speaking from the afterlife, via the direct-voice mediumship of Leslie Flint:

"Man is foolish. Man is, by his nature, skeptical, even those who should know of these things as a big truth and demonstrate them. Indeed, they [the world religions] should be instruments themselves of living fire and living spirit... should be giving forth the message of the spirit... leading the work of the spirit. But, they do not, and are blind, and foolish...

“The power of the spirit manifests so many ways, to many peoples, in many places, not only in spiritualism but in everyone. Indeed, one might say, in many instances, the power of the spirit is not able to manifest itself very well in a spiritualist. This is the tragedy... Mediumship [as demonstrated in the spiritualist churches], if it is to save the world, must be of a much higher order than it is today...

“You see so many in your world set aside the medium [counted as irrelevant] as you run mundane, material messages. This is ninety-nine percent of what the spiritualist movement seems to want. It is why it's not able to spiritually progress, [concerning] that [which] might be done or should do, [and why] it is not becoming a great power for good in the world. There are many spiritualist societies and churches, and ... many spiritualists throughout the world, who cannot make the impact they might have done if they had endeavored more to contact the true power of spirit, whose message so revolutionized man's thinking and action that your world can truly be changed to be saved from itself.”

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In a world of competing voices, how shall we discern the truth concerning reincarnation?

Let us condense and summarize, one more time, this entire contentious issue.

On this page we might review 100+ articles presenting views, and counter-views, regarding the question of “R.” Each side offers its testimonies, arguments, philosophies, and experiences.

They debate this even on the other side!

However, we also know that if we go looking for evidence to support a pre-conceived conclusion, we shall surely find it. It’s easy, and quite self-deceiving, to paint a bulls-eye around an arrow in the wall.

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James Webster spoke to the Leininger family, the parents of the young boy, offering better answers

Saturday, 23 November 2013, James Webster:

'Soul Survivor' - The Reincarnation of  a World War II Fighter Pilot set the pace for what was to become a seemingly perfect example to support the case for reincarnation and to prove 'past lives'. Those following the doctrine and those desperate to have a case to quote which would prove the theory and be impossible not to rebuke, were ecstatic as it became very clear from the international coverage in the media following the publication of the book.

My first book 'Life Is Forever' was about my research and personal experiences of my own psychic awareness and mediumship from a child and the many happenings and experiences that proved for me personally that there was no death, just continuation and progression of living.

Then I knew I had to write the second book entirely about the Reincarnation issue which was causing so much misunderstanding and confusion and much argument between the pro and the anti camps. And so my next book was 'The Case Against Reincarnation: A Rational Explanation'.

As soon as I heard about the 'Soul Survivor' case, in August 2009, and started following the news reports, articles, discussions, video, obtaining and reading the book etc, I knew what this really was and what it certainly was NOT! My heart sank realising that the 'hell and torment' which the two principal characters, James Leininger the child and son of Bruce and Andrea Leininger, and James Huston the fighter pilot (and their families) were put through, could have been prevented if only the right knowledgeable and understanding people had been there to advise and take charge of the situation in the beginning when the problems started to happen. An experienced 'spirit rescue team' could have nipped it in the bud and communicated with the pilot James Huston to get him to realise and understand what had happened to him and set him free from his earthbound/bondage condition and the overshadowing and obsession of the child giving him the false belief that he had reincarnated into the body of James L. At the same time young James L was encouraged to believe that he was the reincarnation of the pilot James H.

The brilliant work and services which Dr Carl Wickland MD and the fine mediumship of his wife Anna did in these such cases (early 20th Century) is essential reading ... ref the classic books: 'Thirty Years Among The Dead' and 'The Gateway of Understanding'.

It is tragic that this case was taken over, or allowed to be, by people who had no idea what was involved. They just wanted to show it up as reincarnation which it had all outside appearances of being  ..... and popular with a ready huge market audience ... just needed the media to get to work with the interviews and cameras etc. Another big mistake was to allow the Foreword to the book to be written by Carol Bowman, a devout reincarnationist and author of books concerning Children's Past Lives.

Excellent confirmation came when I was led to having a personal valuable communication with the Leininger family (authors of the book) during the past year. They were in agreement with me and stated that:

"Reincarnation is a term that does not really describe what we have witnessed. Our book does not ascribe to it nor advocate it. The terminology in the title was used to provide some genre of the story."

I cannot state too much here as some of it was confidential, but there will be more to come out when the time is right. I can say that the young boy James Leininger is now a teenager and his own person with his own earthly parents and family around him. James Huston (the pilot) is his own person in the etheric world and his own family are aware of that. The families never thought of JL as JH.

James W.

The following is spoken by Tim, in the afterlife, as he communicated with his mortal friend, August Goforth, a New York psychiatrist; documented in the book, "The Risen."

no such thing as 'past lives'

“The experience of remembering past lives may be from the projection of character elements of an earth-bound spirit onto the ego-mind of a receptive embodied person. Those who are convinced they have lived a previous life are actually recalling memories of those who have gone before them… The word gets around fast [on the lower spirit levels] where there are willing Earthers who desire to [attempt] a ‘reincarnation experience.’ Earth-bound spirits will seek them out to try to relive their own previous Earth life to relieve certain discomforts… There is a noticeable parallel here between those on Earth who mentally or emotionally cannot or will not move on through difficult life challenges, and those on the lower Astral planes who cannot or will not accept the change and move on with their transition…

“Children, who have a minimum of life experience, are especially open and vulnerable to invasive Earth-bound spirits, and easily confused and led to believe they have lived a previous life. The misconception becomes more solidified when adults actively promote and push the child to continue the … fear-based beliefs in reincarnation...

because this one life is eternal, it will always be more than enough

"The evidence strongly indicates that we cannot be re- individuated again…my observation is that there is never any need to go back to do it again, for the universe is infinite and never-ending and will provide me with unceasing opportunities, always new, fresh, and alive, to explore, learn, and expand my self-awareness on a continual basis. I don’t need to claim more than one life because my one life is enough. Because this one life is eternal it will always be more than enough, which is the core meaning of ‘abundance.’

Editor's note: yes, one's eternal life will always be more than enough; think of this - when we have lived a million years, or a billion, or 100 billion, there will always be an infinity of time stretching before us; one eternal life, to explore veritable unlimited classrooms out there, will always be enough.

no real limit to anything

"Clearly, we are reborn upon our transition, but this rebirth is always into a new world and a unique state of existence, not back into the old one. The old one no longer exists - life is experienced in the continual now. We develop and carry forward the template for our new life. We are the template, and a new world will simultaneously arise from us as we arise from it, as a direct result of how we lived our lives on earth or from wherever we are continuously transitioning. The more brilliantly we live, that is, the more light-filled, the more spectacular will our lives manifest as we transmute ever onward. There are no limits to brilliance except as self-imposed. But even that is an illusion, for there is no real limit to anything."

Two Years In Heaven, Dr. C.H. Carson, from his wife Rose, her experiences in the afterlife:

"My mind is filled with plans of what I hope to do. How glorious it will be to enter into active work and to realize that whatever I set out to do I shall be able to accomplish through the efforts I make! It seems good to be alive; to feel so well and strong that one’s whole being vibrates with new and wonderful life…

"Every moment of the time I spent in spirit life was occupied with something helpful and instructive… [to] furnish me with some helpful idea that I could impart to others to aid them in their progress toward higher, grander, and better things...

"My soul is alive and vibrant with plans for the future, and I am happy and more glad of life as each day passes, not for myself alone, but for those who are to follow after me and whom my influence is to lead heavenward... The consciousness that I have attained tells me this great truth: The soul aspiring for progress never retrogrades; it goes on and on, throughout all eternity, toward greater achievements and higher realizations."

Editor's note: I love this writing - so positive, so encouraging. And we thank Rose for the clear statements: no retrograding, no going backwards.

How infectious is the joy and enthusiasm of this lady - her "soul ... alive and vibrant with plans for the future." Is this not the mind-set of The Great Teacher, as expressed in Mark 11?

'mountain moving' talk at its best

And look at her supreme confidence: "whatever I set out to do I shall be able to accomplish." Is this not "mountain-moving" talk at its best? How "good" she says, "to be alive." What a wonderful example of "embrace this God-life, really embrace it."

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Editor’s note: Professor Steven Goldman in his lectures “What Scientists Know and How They Know It” speaks of a certain fallacious form of reasoning which infects modern science. This error of logic was well known to philosophers and scientists of the past, but it’s ignored today as if we were immune from the consequences of bad thinking. In common parlance, the problem can be defined as “if the experiment works, then the theory must be true.” And this fallacy also invades the doctrine of reincarnation. See the discussion below.

the sun comes up in the east every morning, it's so obvious that the sun is circling the earth, we can even see it crossing the sky all day long, and we can predict that the sun will rise again in the east tomorrow morning, we’ve never been wrong yet in these predictions, so we know we're right

“It’s a simple matter of cause-and-effect,” the chanticleer chuckles to himself. “Anyone can see that my crowing causes the sun to rise. It happens every morning at my call, and has done so for thousands of years. What could be more convincing?”

‘if A is true, then B is also true’ – but, not so fast

Professor Steven Goldman of Lehigh University teaches a course, What Scientists Know and How They Know It. He says that just because an idea “works” as predicted doesn’t mean it’s true. There could be many other reasons why it “worked,” and maybe the popular reason isn’t the real reason at all. The fallacy is codified in ‘if A is true, then B is also true.’

modern science is based upon the following flawed experimental method

Professor Goldman, near the end of lecture two, asserts:

“There is a serious intellectual problem [extant today] that Francis Bacon and Rene Descartes were well aware of, and so were Galileo, Newton, and Leibnitz. [The problem arises in the] attempt to argue that a scientific theory is true because it makes correct experimental predictions… There is [in this a fallacious] form of reasoning [going back to the universities of the Middle Ages and their courses on logic] which is called ‘Affirming the Consequent.’ This is how it works:

"Let’s suppose we know that the following sentence is true:

If my theory is true, then, as a logical consequence, X should turn red.

"Well, [as it happens] X does turn red.

Therefore, my theory is true.

"This form of reasoning is a deductive logical fallacy – because there could be other reasons why X turns red.

[We can formulate this error with]

If A is true, then B is also true

"And if B, in fact, turns out to be true, this does not tell you that A is true.

“All of modern science is based upon [flawed] experimental prediction of this sort. So, this means that, built into modern science, is a flaw [of logical procedure, making it prone to error]… There is [in modern science] a kind of fracture zone that precludes certainty. We can never be certain that just because a theory ‘works’ [or gives us a predicted response] that it is true [in a universal sense].

many theories in the history of science 'worked' but they were still very wrong

"As we will see in this course of lectures, there were many theories [in the history of science] thought to be correct [as a final answer] because they ‘worked,’ but were subsequently [overturned] and declared to be false. Newtonian mechanics being one example of this [overturning], once we hit relativity theory.

swept under the rug

"We will talk about this [problem] with respect to Newton and Leibnitz [who were well aware of this pitfall in logical reasoning], but then, [after these two great scientists passed from the scene] this awareness [of the logical fallacy] disappears [in the history of science], as if it could be swept under the rug.

"Nevertheless, it is a fact that a deductively fallacious reasoning is a fundamental feature of modern science."

‘if A is true, then B is also true’ – but, 'if B, in fact, turns out to be true, this does not tell you that A is true'

And this is the fallacious argument for reincarnation – that is, if "past lives" or certain NDE testimonies or particular channeled afterlife reports supporting reincarnation have occured, this does not mean that reincarnation has been substantiated.

As Professor Goldman points out, there could be other reasons why we find what appears to be "past lives" or supportive NDE testimony or the seemingly affirming channeled report.

On this page, you will find a great cache, scores of writings, concerning evidence explaining why "B" in fact does not exist, that is, why the apparent support for reincarnation melts away under a torrid rebuttal of closer examination, a full review of the facts, better views and explanations.

The sun coming up in the morning is not "proof" that the rooster has power over our nearest star; further, though it appears, with millions of eye-witnesses, that the sun rises in the east and travels across the sky all day long to find its nocturnal repose in the west, this is not proof that the sun orbits the earth.

Science is a process of piercing through shadows of "obvious" reality all the way to an undergirding of greater mystery, complexity, and wonder. The surface-meaning is rarely the final answer. Study quantum mechanics to find out just how true this statement is.

giving solidity to wind

The many points of rebuttal against "R" on this page are often ignored, "swept under the rug," as Professor Goldman intimated, made out to be non-existent. It is only this blinding of the eyes to a full treatment of the facts, however, that allows reincarnation to parade itself as legitimate. It is, in reality, a gigantic fraud, a hoax, it doesn't happen, is a product of one-sided investigation, of "painting the bulls-eye around the arrow," of sloppy reasoning and cultish dogma posing as knowledge; just an attempt to give solidity to wind - and as convincing as the chanticleer's proudful sunrise anthem.

Some who support “R”, and attempt to present it as “scientific evidence of the afterlife,” like to speak of “repeatable experiments,” as if this were the dispositive factor in determining truth. If one seeks for evidence within a narrow area concerning those who believe in “R,” or in areas where the immature tend to reside, then, yes, you will receive confirming testimony from “repeatable experiments” – but the sampling is tainted and not representative of the truthful whole.

Professor Goldman spends considerable time eviscerating this fallacious use of what can be a smug hiding behind “we use repeatable experiments.” Allow me to quote from the notes from his lecture:

the collective as self-fulfilling prophecy

In addition to Thomas Hobbes' criticism of [Boyle and Hooke's] scientific machines [the just-invented air-pump], Hobbes had sharp words for the newly-organized Royal Society. What did he have against it (other than their rejection of him as a member)? Hobbes had some good objections: He thought, because the Royal Society was an exclusive group, self-selected, and the fact that experiments were done for them, by invitation only, that, in effect, these people were reinforcing their own prejudices. The discoveries they were announcing were of the sort they were already committed to.

I submit to you that the lauded "repeatable experiments" seemingly propping up "R" constitute nothing more than a "reinforcement of the prejudices" of an "exclusive group," those who accept "R" as a kind of religious dogma irrespective of a necessary wider treatment of the facts.

For further reading on Professor Goldman’s instruction, see the articles “Knowledge, Part II,” “Hume’s Causation and Induction,” and “Evolution: Not Enough Time, Part III.”

The following testimony from Summerland, a tape-recorded account, was facilitated by the direct-voice mediumship of Leslie Flint. His work was featured in the article “500 tape-recorded messages from the other side.”

the belief in reincarnation takes its place as just one more religion of the world, something to discard and grow out of when one crosses over

A Mr. Briggs communicated from the other side:

'My name is Briggs. I was for many years, when on your side, a member of the Christadelphians" [an American sect believing that they, and hardly anyone else, will be raised from the dead and return to Earth when Christ returns to subdue the world from Jerusalem].

“In my own narrow way, when I was on your side, I sincerely believed at the time that only those who accepted and believed as I did would inherit the kingdom of God. I know this is a fallacy now - that all peoples inherit the Kingdom of God because it is a natural law. When a man dies his spirit inherits the spiritual realms which are all around and about your earth world. It is inescapable.

“There is no one left out, and man inherits according to his nature and his achievement, or lack of achievement going to a lesser condition or place. In other words man receives exactly what he himself has created in his life, his outlook, and his way of life. Religion in itself cannot save a man. Religion cannot necessarily make a man a better person. This is something that can only come when man realizes that he is already in embryo a spiritual being.”

He went on to tell the story of his arrival on the other side.

happiness and confidence in a fool's paradise

“My mind was closed to truth. When I first came here, I found myself in an environment which for me was very satisfactory and very happy. I was in paradise. But I realize now I was in a fool's paradise. A condition of life which consisted entirely of people of like mind. People who had believed as I had believed, who had accepted as I had accepted what I thought was the complete and absolute truth. We were content with our meetings and our singing of hymns, and our prayers, and we would talk of the time when we should be brought back to Earth to be resurrected as we had been told, and we would enter into our physical bodies and becomes earthly people living in an earthly paradise.”

Neville Randall, reviewer of Leslie Flint’s work, comments: “His re-education came slowly. It began when he started to feel uneasy. Then, curious to him, he became aware that other people, not of his own sect, who seemed to have got to Heaven too.

everyone is damned, except, so conveniently - me

"They started to talk to him. One of them, a man called Bernard, took him for a long walk and told him that he'd been a Roman Catholic priest. Briggs was horrified. Catholics and Spiritualists, he'd been taught, were equally damned! Not to worry, said Bernard. They had both held strong views. And they had both been wrong.

“Their journey took them through a series of small, isolated communities still dressing and living as they'd done three or four hundred years ago on Earth. And it ended in a beautiful city where everyone seemed uninhibited and loving.

a prison for the mind, finally opened

Briggs: “And here, I found that peace which I feel I want to give to the whole world. I want to tell everyone there is no barrier at all to man once his mind is unshackled, once he is free to think for himself.”

each one believes him- or herself to be part of the 'one true' group of God

Editor’s note: Briggs, a Christadelphian, had he sent a psychic message immediately upon crossing over, would have offered sincere affirmation that the next world is set up to honor the beliefs of Christadelphians. And if a Catholic were to communicate, he or she would offer testimony that “heaven” is oriented toward the teachings of the RCC. So it would be for true-believer Baptist, Muslim, Buddhist or any other fundamentalist.

fake-news reports from the philosophical ghetto

And so it is with the believers in reincarnation, members of one more religion of this deluded world. If they communicate with the Earth, they will attest to the veridical nature of “R.” It’s what they know, it’s what they see, from the perspective of the philosophical ghetto in which they live. But they, along with all fundamentalists, will be growing out of these narrow views.

A communicator named “Pierre” spoke via Flint on September 1, 1963:

"There are far too many selfish people, even among the Spiritualists, who are only concerned with what they are going to get from it. They are not concerned with spiritual truths. That is why they ask such mundane, material questions...

'one truth' - but it is not reincarnation, nor any other fraudulent religion of the world

"There are many, many different religions in your world ... many confusing, conflicting ideas and thoughts. But there is one truth, and it is the truth of everlasting life; that, all who die, live...

the truth is not meant to mirror one's fears and prejudices

"We are grateful because you [of the Flint group] have, like so few have, the true spirit, the true realization. Your minds are free and open to receive. There are no prejudices. There are no stumbling blocks that we find with so many who want to tie truth, which must always be free, to their own particular brand of religion. They want to try, if they can, to bring this great truth down to a certain level which only they can understand and appreciate, because it must be in the confines of their own particular religion or belief or dogma.

"We have no dogmas. We have no religion in the sense that you understand religion. We have a freedom of expression, and a freedom of thought, and a freedom of spirit which is far beyond the confines of Man and his pettiness and his foolishness. We are free to speak the truth and it is because of this that we are happy to come and be able to give it to you.

ask, seek, knock - but knock like you mean it, or have you already decided what you want to find

"Knock, it has been said, and it shall be opened unto you. But how few people in your world truly knock. There are some who gently tap the door and are surprised because no one hears them. There are those who strive to turn the handle, but it will not open. And there are those who put their whole weight against the door and it flies open..."

Great Mystery - or is it Great Mockery? 

'please, God, save me from this hope which is despair, this dreadful good' 

Written over 100 years ago, a dying wife's poem encourages both herself and husband concerning future reunion. If anything, in the coming eternities, were to separate them and their love, heaven could never offer its promised bliss:

the dreadful salvation theory

Reincarnation is presented as salvation theory; a necessary medicine, they say; a "dreadful good" required to perfect us. However, especially for authentic lovers, the remedy would be infinitely more harmful than the disease.

a grey gruel of essential self

After thousands of lives, after mixing our essential selves endlessly, promiscuously transforming core being into some form of grey gruel of personhood, with other mates, other unions, other genders, then, the reincarnationists assure, we shall have attained “perfection”. This is utter nonsense, as wholeness and inner integration is neither the product of experience nor gradualism.

diluted into emotional nothingness

But even if such dubious wholeness were attainable via many lives, who would want it, who could receive this 'dreadful good', with the love of one’s life having been diluted into an emotional nothingness after unnumbered existences?

Mercifully, God does not deceive, does not disingenuously call it hope which is despair; and the gift of true love, ever abiding as element of God's own mind, has not presented itself for naught.

great despair if loosed beyond

If true love were to be injured or denied, in any manner, if 'loosed beyond' were its fate, in any measure, as surely it would if reincarnation ruled our futures, then great despair would engulf lovers' spirits, sapping any particle of motivation toward self-perfection, or even to continue living.

whisperings of ultimate reality

We can know, assuredly, concerning the reincarnationists’ fraud and deception, that the proponents of this pernicious doctrine -- ruinous and noxious, utterly errant and contrary to both natural law and deepest whisperings of ultimate reality -- have not, themselves, experienced true love. This much is clear.

how cold is my room

The Hollies, Pay You Back With Interest "... how cold is my room, how cold is my room, without your love beside me, we look at the same old moon, but you're not here beside me"

you can have it all laid out in front of you, but it won't make you think 

Concert for George
Royal Albert Hall
November 29, 2002 

Horse To Water